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	<title>Comments on: Will the bad voters please step forward? More from Jason Brennan</title>
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		<title>By: Princeton University Press Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Five Elements of Effective Electing&#8211;a guide from Edward Burger</title>
		<link>http://blog.press.princeton.edu/2012/08/16/will-the-bad-voters-please-step-forward-more-from-jason-brennan/#comment-190493</link>
		<dc:creator>Princeton University Press Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Five Elements of Effective Electing&#8211;a guide from Edward Burger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 23:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] with sound bites, our preconceptions, and little else (or, as Jason Brennan would call it, being a bad voter.) Check out Burger&#8217;s post [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Blaine</title>
		<link>http://blog.press.princeton.edu/2012/08/16/will-the-bad-voters-please-step-forward-more-from-jason-brennan/#comment-190454</link>
		<dc:creator>Blaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see a gaping problem with the drunk driving analogy: Driving laws are obviously about safety. We want drivers to be safe so that *everyone* will be safe. You getting behind the wheel drunk could cause *direct* harm to me or someone else on the road (or as a pedestrian). One cannot say the same about voting. We can talk about the harm certainly policies do, and yet we can&#039;t link it directly back to the voting booth. 

Beyond that, I know you said you touch on this in your book and I would love to read it (and probably will), but I have to wonder how you prescribe tackling cognitive biases. Scientists are learning that critical thinking can&#039;t be &quot;taught&quot; in the way have traditionally assumed (even someone like me, who has taken critical thinking classes, is prone to making fallacious arguments and using bad logic). That in mind, it would seem difficult if not completely impossible for anyone to really overcome those biases. And if that&#039;s the case, how can we justify that anyone vote? As a PoliSci major I may have more knowledge of basic political processes, but that doesn&#039;t necessarily make me a &quot;good voter&quot; since my voting has far less to do with that knowledge and far more to do with my ideology/worldview that contains many ideas that simply cannot be verified one way or the other (as all of us have in our ideologies).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a gaping problem with the drunk driving analogy: Driving laws are obviously about safety. We want drivers to be safe so that *everyone* will be safe. You getting behind the wheel drunk could cause *direct* harm to me or someone else on the road (or as a pedestrian). One cannot say the same about voting. We can talk about the harm certainly policies do, and yet we can&#8217;t link it directly back to the voting booth. </p>
<p>Beyond that, I know you said you touch on this in your book and I would love to read it (and probably will), but I have to wonder how you prescribe tackling cognitive biases. Scientists are learning that critical thinking can&#8217;t be &#8220;taught&#8221; in the way have traditionally assumed (even someone like me, who has taken critical thinking classes, is prone to making fallacious arguments and using bad logic). That in mind, it would seem difficult if not completely impossible for anyone to really overcome those biases. And if that&#8217;s the case, how can we justify that anyone vote? As a PoliSci major I may have more knowledge of basic political processes, but that doesn&#8217;t necessarily make me a &#8220;good voter&#8221; since my voting has far less to do with that knowledge and far more to do with my ideology/worldview that contains many ideas that simply cannot be verified one way or the other (as all of us have in our ideologies).</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://blog.press.princeton.edu/2012/08/16/will-the-bad-voters-please-step-forward-more-from-jason-brennan/#comment-190447</link>
		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your use of the word &quot;duty&quot; is wrong.  Claiming that a person has a duty to do the impossible or near impossible gives you bizarre outcomes.  In the case of the drunk driver the &quot;duty&quot; is to not drive drunk.  Arguing that the &quot;duty&quot; involved is to not hit a child he could not see would be the same as to blame a sober, alert, law abiding driver who hit a child that sprinted into traffic that he couldn&#039;t see.  

To expand this to voting you are essentially saying not that the ignorant and biased have a duty not to vote, that the ignorant and biased have a duty to not be ignorant and biased.  In the DD case a person has ample opportunity prior to drinking to learn about the dangers of DD and to put a plan in place.  In voting this is impractical (or impossible) as the studies you cite suggest.  People are biased in believing how unbiased they are, how can they have a duty to not be biased?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your use of the word &#8220;duty&#8221; is wrong.  Claiming that a person has a duty to do the impossible or near impossible gives you bizarre outcomes.  In the case of the drunk driver the &#8220;duty&#8221; is to not drive drunk.  Arguing that the &#8220;duty&#8221; involved is to not hit a child he could not see would be the same as to blame a sober, alert, law abiding driver who hit a child that sprinted into traffic that he couldn&#8217;t see.  </p>
<p>To expand this to voting you are essentially saying not that the ignorant and biased have a duty not to vote, that the ignorant and biased have a duty to not be ignorant and biased.  In the DD case a person has ample opportunity prior to drinking to learn about the dangers of DD and to put a plan in place.  In voting this is impractical (or impossible) as the studies you cite suggest.  People are biased in believing how unbiased they are, how can they have a duty to not be biased?</p>
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		<title>By: Tetris</title>
		<link>http://blog.press.princeton.edu/2012/08/16/will-the-bad-voters-please-step-forward-more-from-jason-brennan/#comment-190443</link>
		<dc:creator>Tetris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I personally don&#039;t vote at all. would that be considered as a bad vote? Well I mean it&#039;s not a vote, but is it bad to not vote. I was never big on politics or voting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally don&#8217;t vote at all. would that be considered as a bad vote? Well I mean it&#8217;s not a vote, but is it bad to not vote. I was never big on politics or voting.</p>
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		<title>By: What SUP from Your Favorite University Presses, August, 17, 2012 &#124; Yale Press Log</title>
		<link>http://blog.press.princeton.edu/2012/08/16/will-the-bad-voters-please-step-forward-more-from-jason-brennan/#comment-190437</link>
		<dc:creator>What SUP from Your Favorite University Presses, August, 17, 2012 &#124; Yale Press Log</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 19:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] we take the plunge into election season, the Princeton University Press Blog has up a series of proactive posts on the topic. Share this:EmailPrintMoreDiggLike this:LikeBe the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Making The Case For Not Voting &#124; The Thinker</title>
		<link>http://blog.press.princeton.edu/2012/08/16/will-the-bad-voters-please-step-forward-more-from-jason-brennan/#comment-190435</link>
		<dc:creator>Making The Case For Not Voting &#124; The Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Brennan makes the case for not voting, here and here. Lengthy quote-swipes: Imagine 12 people are serving on a jury in a murder case. [...] They find [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: geoih</title>
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		<dc:creator>geoih</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a giant load of crap. This is the inherent condition of any system of democracy, but that isn&#039;t what you actually want. You want a system of privilege controlled by &quot;good&quot; voters. 

Why not just come out and say what you really mean: Only people who think the same as me should be allowed a voice in government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a giant load of crap. This is the inherent condition of any system of democracy, but that isn&#8217;t what you actually want. You want a system of privilege controlled by &#8220;good&#8221; voters. </p>
<p>Why not just come out and say what you really mean: Only people who think the same as me should be allowed a voice in government.</p>
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		<title>By: Technate</title>
		<link>http://blog.press.princeton.edu/2012/08/16/will-the-bad-voters-please-step-forward-more-from-jason-brennan/#comment-190425</link>
		<dc:creator>Technate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 00:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have drunk driving laws to have outside coercion to stop drunk drivers. We similarly have laws to protect Bob&#039;s children. We don&#039;t assume that Bob will realize he&#039;s wrong and work to be a better person.

What external coercion do you suggest to separate the good voters from the bad? 

And how do you ensure that this is a neutral and impartial system and not a return to Jim Crow?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have drunk driving laws to have outside coercion to stop drunk drivers. We similarly have laws to protect Bob&#8217;s children. We don&#8217;t assume that Bob will realize he&#8217;s wrong and work to be a better person.</p>
<p>What external coercion do you suggest to separate the good voters from the bad? </p>
<p>And how do you ensure that this is a neutral and impartial system and not a return to Jim Crow?</p>
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